What / Who is anonymous? my open response to “Louanne”
by Lonnie on Feb.17, 2009, under Religion
In my previous posting that you can read here, I got a response from someone named “Louanne” who essentially lumped all of “Anonymous” in as one large cohesive group, so I decided to respond openly. In their response, they also included some links to back up what they believed and in the interest of fairness I had no desire to censor it… So here is my response:
Louanne tries to make a sweeping generalization of who “Anonymous” is, almost as if they are one cohesive organization which they are not.
So what/who is Anonymous? it’s you … it’s me .. it’s your neighbor, it’s anyone out there with an opinion… even scientologists are Anonymous until they are not.
There are a large group of Anonymous people who are outraged by some of the things that have gone on in the name of Scientology, as well as the tactics of the “church”.
When you have such a large number of people who are outraged over something, there are always factions of people who act more aggressively than others, and those people do not reflect the views necessarily of the rest who dislike Scientology, so such a broad generalization is nonsense at best.
There are those who protest peacefully and work to present the facts to the world and let them decide for themselves, and naturally, it’s in Scientology’s best interest to put on a PR campaign and try to make Anonymous appear as sort of a terrorist group when in fact, each individual is responsible for their own actions.
How about a word from L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology’s founder… What do you think of all this Mr. Hubbard?
“Writing for a penny a word is ridiculous. If a man really wants to make a million dollars, the best way would be to start his own religion”
Reader’s Digest reprint, May 1980, p.1
So to further respond to Louanne, and to be balanced… I’ll provide some links of my own, please chime in if I forgot something, won’t you?
- The Unfunny Truth About Scientology
- Operation Clambake – The Inner Secrets of Scientology (there is a wealth of information here)
- Scientologists Attack (video) – Once you’ve read up on how scientology teaches it’s followers to react to SPs
- Suppressive Person Defense League – Read up about the church’s suppressive person doctrine’s
- The Shadowy Story Behind Scientology’s Tax Exempt Status
- A petition to have Scientology’s tax exempt status removed
- Germany moves to ban Scientology
- WikiLeaks document archive on Scientology – The holy grail of official church doctrine and everything else you can think of.
- Let’s let Anonymous speak for themselves, Who is Anonymous? (video, recommended)
More links to come as time permits, there is such a wealth of information out there, google is your friend, in the mean time! participate in my survey:
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February 17th, 2009 on 2:00 pm
Your response proves Louanne’s point. Anonymous has been a dumb and arrogant group of cowards 12 months ago and still is now. They (and obviously you as well) still eat for the most outrageous BS on scientology (including the fake Hubbard quote you included in your article). As long as it is on the interwebs it must be true? How clever.
I don’t care if you “dislike scientology” but you do so because you gulped down poison propaganda and not because of your “research skills” or personal observation.
February 17th, 2009 on 3:19 pm
My response included very clearly my own opinions, I don’t mind admitting that, but it also included links to information which you’re welcome to disprove as “poisoness propoganda” if you wish to.. But you didn’t dispute anything except the quote from L. Ron Hubbard, you stated that the quote is fake… let’s do some research..
A source that looks at this in depth is right here … “the short answer is that it’s almost certainly true.”
The fact is that this quote has been rehashed into other forms, such as a rumor about a bet L. Ron made, which is false, so in that context it’s entirely false. Apparently it was said by Hubbard while speaking before the Eastern Science Fiction Association in Newark, New Jersey in 1947, it was then subsequently reprinted by Reader’s Digest.. you have people from the event claiming he said it… There is Sam Moscowitz who claimed Hubbard said it, and there are also at least a couple of other witnesses making the same claims…
So we have three people stating he said it this, and if not word for word, paraphrased … but meaning the same thing.
The church of scientology does deny it being said because L. Ron Hubbard denied he said it, and it doesn’t surprise me in the least that he would do that.. but with witnesses stating otherwise, it’s kind of hard to refute … instead, you say flatly it’s fake, but the best argument you can REALLY make is that it’s unknown for sure if he said it, witnesses say he did, he says he did not.. I personally tend to believe he did.
February 17th, 2009 on 3:29 pm
I want to add that I also did not deny Louanne’s point that some people who are anti-scientologist have been extreme in there reactions, what I do disagree with is saying that all people who are involved in disagreeing with scientology get this blanket definition that now both you and Louanne are providing… Louanne providing links to prove that Anonymous is a bunch of violent people, and you referring to them as dumb and arrogant cowards… you seem to think that the few represent the whole and that is the entire basis of both of your replies.
Neither of you take the time to actually go in and refute the claims (aside from the very weak defense on the topic of L. Ron’s quote) .. instead, you both move quickly to attack the people, and if I must say – that is a very classic response from Scientology members.
Rather than spending your effort trying to attack the individuals, why not spend some actual time providing some evidence that what “Anonymous” has to say is false? something tangeable? … After all, they seem to be able to provide a slew of documents from Scientology itself to back up what they say, and the response of Scientology is what? not to deny the documents are correct, but to litigate over copyright violation … Common sense would dictate that if the documents were false and the information incorrect, that COS would have no interest in filing copyright infringement suits..
So I invite you to write up an in depth article to refute some of the more common “poisoness propoganda” and will host it right here on this site for you, I will then invite the entire community to have their chance to fact check you.
February 19th, 2009 on 7:02 pm
NotAnon, I have to say your response is very defensive, which can only insinuate a sense of doubt in your mind. A doubt about what is and is not true.
My good friend Lonnie here had simply given true information (including the Hubbard quote) and stated his opinion, which he is entitled to, and all you have done is proclaim his views incorrect and the result of propaganda.
I assure you, Anonymous has no need for propaganda, because Anonymous is not an organization. It is not a specific group. It is, in fact, everyone you know. It is you. When you act anonymously as part of a group effort, you have become Anonymous without so much as a thought on the matter.
Anonymous has no leaders. Anonymous has no goal. Anonymous is simply a mass noun used to describe those with the will to do something. Cowards? I invite you to pick a fight with the next group wearing Guy Fawkes masks. There is a fine line between cowardice and intelligence. Scientology is a cult defended by lawyers, so hiding our identity has become important. Are we afraid? No. But what better way to attack than in a way where a counter-attack is not possible?
Also, to say Anonymous as a whole has opposed Scientology would be an incorrect statement. There is many of Anonymous who encourages the cult’s actions against humanity, finding it amusing that so many cattle would go to the slaughter. It brings great joy to some Anonymous to see people throw away their wallets and embrace a religion created by a man who has been shown to know religion makes money. There are those of Anonymous who are indifferent, as well, occasionally getting a good laugh at the “church’s” squirming, knowing that they can’t use their only weapon (lawyers) against an anonymous gathering.
In short, the only one who has swallowed poisonous propaganda are those who dismiss proven quotes as lies. Enjoy your life. We’ll be laughing.
December 2nd, 2009 on 9:24 pm
Hey,
i am having quite the promblems! sometimes i feel loved and other times i feel like no one cares ? so what should i do! i just dumped a guy i like loved ! >? stupid idea! wish i didnt.! help me pleasee.
December 4th, 2009 on 5:31 pm
Because i never really got to see him and i thought it would be better for both of us (: ? but no.
Kennedy (L)
December 8th, 2009 on 6:47 pm
Kennedy – you’re posting to scientology thread, just FYI :)